Jeesus on Jumala

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Magda-sisko
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Jeesus on Jumala

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Tästä on paljon tulkintoja. Yhdeltäkin seurakunnan perustajalta ja julistajalta tämä aihe on vähän harmaalla alueella. Hän sanoo, että Jeesus ei ole Jumala, vaan Jumalan poika. Kun häneltä kysyy tarkennusta, että onko Jeesus sitten vähän pienempi Jumala tms. niin hän ei pysty vastaamaan.

Raamatussa on todisteita Jeesuksen 100% jumaluudesta, mutta ei jostain syystä haluta kuulla eikä uskoa.

Kuvassa todiste Ilmestyskirjasta. Ensimmäisessä A ja O:ssa tarkoitetaan Jumalaa, kahdessa jälkimmäisessä Jeesusta. Voiko enää selvempää todistusta olla? Jeesus Kristus on täydellinen Jumala.

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1. Kor. 8:2 "Jos joku luulee jotakin tietävänsä, ei hän vielä tiedä, niinkuin tietää tulee".
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https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_is_god

Valitan pituutta ja eng.kielisyyttä; allaolevat jakeet osoittavat, että Jeesus on Jumala. Alkuperäisen sivuston linkittämällä saa lukija paremmin selkoa jakeista.

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Acts 2:22 ESV / 68 helpful votes
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John 6:38 ESV / 68 helpful votes
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Matthew 4:10 ESV / 67 helpful votes
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John 9:35-38 ESV / 66 helpful votes
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Colossians 1:27 ESV / 64 helpful votes
To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Revelation 2:8 ESV / 63 helpful votes
“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.
Matthew 28:18 ESV / 62 helpful votes
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Matthew 24:36 ESV / 62 helpful votes
“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Psalm 27:1 ESV / 62 helpful votes
Of David. The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Esther 5:1-14 ESV / 62 helpful votes
On the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king's palace, in front of the king's quarters, while the king was sitting on his royal throne inside the throne room opposite the entrance to the palace. And when the king saw Queen Esther standing in the court, she won favor in his sight, and he held out to Esther the golden scepter that was in his hand. Then Esther approached and touched the tip of the scepter. And the king said to her, “What is it, Queen Esther? What is your request? It shall be given you, even to the half of my kingdom.” And Esther said, “If it please the king, let the king and Haman come today to a feast that I have prepared for the king.” Then the king said, “Bring Haman quickly, so that we may do as Esther has asked.” So the king and Haman came to the feast that Esther had prepared. ...
John 9:38 ESV / 61 helpful votes
He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.
John 20:27-28 ESV / 60 helpful votes
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Philippians 2:10 ESV / 59 helpful votes
So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Matthew 18:20 ESV / 59 helpful votes
For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”
1 Timothy 6:14-16 ESV / 58 helpful votes
To keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.
Isaiah 45:23 ESV / 58 helpful votes
By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
John 15:26 ESV / 57 helpful votes
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
2 Corinthians 13:14 ESV / 55 helpful votes
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Philippians 2:5-7 ESV / 54 helpful votes
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
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Joo, siis tästä aiheesta kun käyty palstalla joskus armottomat keskustelut, mutta jos lukee Raamattua, niin kyllähän sen kokonaisilmoituksesta käy hyvin selvillä kuka Jeesus on eli totisesti Hän On Jumala. En tiedä onko Herra jättänyt tämän aiheen tarkoituksella sellaiseksi, että siitä muodostuu hulluutus niille, jotka lähtevät epäilemään, mutta se johtaa aika moniin vaikeuksiin Raamatunluvussa, jos tämä asia ei oikein aukene.

Mun mielestä yksi selvimpiä todisteita on Johanneksen Evankeliumissa, jossa Jeesus itse sanoo itsestään, että:
Joh. 10:30 Minä ja Isä olemme yhtä.
Tämänkin saa tarvittaessa kyllä kierrettyä, niin kuin muutkin tästä aiheesta kertovat kohdat ja välillä tuntuu että KR33/38 on vähän niin kuin kompromissi, sillä esimerkiksi lähestulkoon kaikki englanninkieliset Raamatunkäännökset sanovat asian yksiselitteisemmin, että he ovat Yksi (One), samoin kuten alkuperäinen kreikankielinen taivutusmuodossa oleva sana Hen, joka tarkoittaa nimenomaan alkulukua 1.

Ei ole väärin sanoa myöskään, että Jeesus on Jumalan poika, koska Hän On näkymättömän Jumalan näkyväinen kuva:
1:2 on hän näinä viimeisinä päivinä puhunut meille Pojan kautta, jonka hän on pannut kaiken perilliseksi, jonka kautta hän myös on maailman luonut
1:3 ja joka, ollen hänen kirkkautensa säteily ja hänen olemuksensa kuva...

Hepr.
Got Questions- sivulta löytyy paljon hyviä artikkeleita tästä aiheesta, ainakin "Onko Kristuksen jumaluus raamatullista?" ja "Mitä tarkoitetaan sillä, että Jeesus on Jumalan Poika?"

https://www.gotquestions.org/Suomi/Kris ... aluus.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/Suomi/Jees ... Poika.html

Ja sitten löysin vielä erillisen koontisivun, jossa on paljon erilaisia aiheita Jeesuksen luonteeseen liittyen:

https://www.gotquestions.org/Suomi/Kysy ... sesta.html
Jeesus, sä Herramme, sua seurata tahdomme.
Kanssamme kulje eteenpäin, yhdessä, yksittäin.

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Tv7 :lla tuli joku heprean kieleen liittyvä sarja. Siinä sanottiin (muistaakseni) että raamatun ensimmäiset sanat 1.Moos 1:1 Alussa Jumala loi taivaan ja maan, niin hepreaksi Jumalasta käytetty nimi on Elohim.
Ja Elohim on kolme tai useampi.
El on yksi jumala, Elohaim kaksi jumalaa ja Elohim kolme tai enemmän.
Eli Jumala on oikeasti monikko!
Isä, Poika ja Pyhä Henki.
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Re: Jeesus on Jumala

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Aamen !

Jeesus on JUMALA, eikä muuta Jumalaa ole kuin HÄN. Jes.9:6(5) " Sillä Lapsi on.....

Mm. jehovantodistajat kieltävät Jeesuksen Jumaluuden, ja puhuvat Jeesuksesta " vain" Jumalan Poikana.

Palstallahan, niin kuin Eerokin jo mainitsi, käytiin jokunen vuosi mielestäni hyvin ahdistava, masentava, vihastuttava keskustelu Jeesuksen Jumaluudesta, tai ettei Hän olisi Jumala.

Harhaopit tarttuvat toisiin harhaoppeihin, tämä olen huomioinut. Henkilö, joka tuossa surullisessa ketjussa voimakkaimmin vastusti, ja kielsi, Jeesuksen Jumaluuden, myöhemmin paljasti itsestään lisää harhaopillisia uskomuksia, tai välinpitämättömyyttä......kysyttäesssä häneltä uskoiko hän Jeesuksen neitseestäsyntymiseen, hän alkoi tosissaan MIETTIMÄÄN sitä, ja sanoiko suunnillen näin, " ettei se välttämättä tärkeää, syntyikö neitseellisesti tai ei " !!!

En olisi ikinä uskonut, että kristitty USKOVA voi edes kyseenalaistaa tuota erästä YDINOPIN kohtaa kristinuskossa.

Samoin sama henkilö väitti ettei vedenpaisumus ollut koko maailman laajuinen, ja ettei jotkut Raamatun kirjat ole oikeasti niiden kirjoittamia joiden niiden yleisesti kristinuskossa uskotaan olevan. Samoin hän joissakin kohdin uskoi, että jotkut VT:n profetiat olisi kirjoitettu "jälkeenpäin"...

On sanonta , " raha tulee rahan luo"......tuota soveltaen..." harhaoppi tulee harhaopin luo".
Menkää siis ja tehkää kaikki kansat minun opetuslapsikseni, kastamalla heitä Isän ja Pojan ja Pyhän Hengen nimeen. Matt.28:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKLwutE ... -S&index=1 Psalmi.135, kuoro
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Amen. Amen. Amen!!!
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Amen AO, "my man" !!
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Onneksi se on ihan lopulta usko Jeesukseen, jolla on merkitystä, Hänessä on Armo ja Anteeksianto ja voidaan huoletta jättää menneet Hänen huomaansa ja Hän sitten sen mukaan meitä ”käsittelee”, että millä sydämen tahdolla ollaan maan päällä kuljettu.
Jeesus, sä Herramme, sua seurata tahdomme.
Kanssamme kulje eteenpäin, yhdessä, yksittäin.

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Re: Jeesus on Jumala

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Re: Jeesus on Jumala

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Usein ne jotka alentavat Jeesuksen Jumaluutta viittaavat Jeeseksen käyttäytymiseen maanpäällä ollessaan, eli kun Hän oli alentanut itsensä ihmisen kaltaiseksi. Silloinhan Hän oli Isä Jumalasta täysin riippuvainen ja siinä tilanteessa Isää alempi. Mutta kun Hänet ylennettiin ylösnousemuksen kautta takaisin oikeaan olomuotoonsa Jumalana, Hän oli tosi Jumala kuin Isäkin.

Itsekin olen varma Isän, Pojan ja Pyhän Hengen saman arvoisesta jumaluudesta. Mutta kun he ovet kuitenkin omia persooniaan Jumaluuden sisällä (meille mahdoton ymmärtää täysin), niin voihan heillä olla oma "arvo" / tehtävä järjestyksensä? Pyhä Henki on aina kuin sivussa ja harvoin edes keskustellaan Hänen jumalallisesta arvostaan. Kuitenkin Hänen työnsä on tälläkin hetkellä keskeinen meidän jokapäiväisessä elämässä.

Tässä menee sekaisin arvo ja arvo sanat eri yhteyksissä. Mutta en keksi mitä sanaa pitäisi kulloinkin käyttää.
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